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10/25/2009

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Maybe the State of Washington has intentionally turned a blind eye to this behavior. Maybe the state is happy trading corporate licensing taxes for personal income taxes on 40K employees.

Also, see the "MS Values" page at http://www.mslicense.com/pages/ms_values.aspx

What's the first bullet point? "Integrity and Honesty", really?

Good luck in you efforts.

By your statement about personal income tax, It may be assumed that you do not live in Washington. Washington has no personal income tax.

Pravitus

>Maybe the state is happy trading corporate licensing taxes for personal
>income taxes on 40K employees.

Washington State has no income tax (and it shows in our public services!).

Actually, Washington State doesn't have a personal income tax. If Microsoft wanted to move out of Washington, it might have to give raises to its 40,000+ employees.

> When necessary, as in the case Microsoft Licensing
> GP v. TSR Silicon Resources, which lasted two years,
> Microsoft uses the resources of Washington courts to
> enforce its licensing contracts. It does this while
> simultaneously dodging the taxes it would normally
> pay for engaging in the software licensing business
> in Washington - the same taxes that fund the courts.

First, I believe courts are funded largely by court fees.

Second, are you suggesting that I, as an out-of-state Washingtonian should not be able to file a lawsuit in Washington State court as I'm not paying taxes to the state?

Third, do you really believe you're going to find some "t" or some "i" that Microsoft's lawyers forgot to cross/dot?

'A small office in Reno' - Reno is their AOC and APAC operations centre - it's not small by any means. (maybe 5000?)

As another commentor posted Microsoft has 40,000+ (they have 90,000 worldwide so I think this number is much higher) employees in Redmond, thats not including contractors (easily another 40,000+) who work with them there.

Anyway I think the government Taxes us all enough these days.

Michael, MSLicensing's web site says it's "MSLI employs approximately 500 professionals across 22 states" - it's less than 500!
http://www.mslicense.com/default.aspx

Max, you didn't read the piece very carefully.

It's perfectly legal to choose a venue to sue in - just not very smart to sue over licensing contracts in Washington if you're simultaneously telling them you're not in the business of software licensing in that state.

Your comment dotting i's and t's ignores massive histories of corporate fraud e.g. ever heard of Enron? Countrywide?

I don't know the percentage of the budget from court fees for King County - but there is an $18M Superior Court budget aside from that that comes from our general budget. Why don't you investigate the percentage and report back?

Do you really think anyone in Oly or King County will have the guts to take these guys on? They are to Wa as tobacco is to Virginia.

This is kind of funny. You write this article as if the approx. 40,000 employees of MS DON'T pay taxes or their wages DON'T contribute to the economy of Washington.

According to this: http://dor.wa.gov/Docs/forms/ExcsTx/LocSalUseTx/LocalSlsUseFlyer_09_Q4_alpha.pdf Redmond pays the highest (that I can find) sales tax in the state. All the material and goods that MS buys/sells to support its operation is taxed as well as all the money spent in that county. Yet, that is not enough for you.

Perhaps Washington State, like every other state, should amend their spending to the revenue instead of assuming a given revenue and then go on a spending spree regardless of the revenue's actual value.

Doesn't DoR collect B&O tax on the transactions between MSFT and MSLI?

Bill, good question. I'm waiting for DoR to respond to my last set of questions - they are working on it.

Microsoft's tax records are private - so no way to know if they are recording a market value transaction for the transfer to MSLI. However, according to DoR, they are supposed to. Who audits this and what are the rules to value that transaction? DoR is supposed to ensure it's a fair transaction - but if it were ... why would MS set up an office in NV...it wouldn't be worth it.

Even if they are, it's clear they are doing a lot of licensing relating activity in Washington, e.g. managing and defending MSLI contracts et al. This would seem to erode their argument that they aren't subject to the royalty tax.

Check out Microsoft Puerto Rico. Microsoft's tax dodge there may make the rest look pale by comparison.

Hopefully some one brings this up at the annual meeting.

Do you have a running list of publications that have written about this over the years? Has anyone else besides Crosscut and the Weekly had a story?

Ok... so we the people of Washington state aer getting screwed.... so what else is new????

Boeing has been doing the same thing to us for years....

Boing does not pay 1 penny of sales tax on planes built in washington state....
After completion, planes are flown to Idaho and from there they are sold.... TaDa... no washington sale tax...

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